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	<title>Comments on: UC Davis releases Mircostamping study</title>
	<link>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/</link>
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		<title>By: Rob K</title>
		<link>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17264</link>
		<author>Rob K</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=112864" rel="nofollow">Brass catchers</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17238</link>
		<author>Robb Allen</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17238</guid>
		<description>Caseless ammunition. An idea whose time has finally come!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caseless ammunition. An idea whose time has finally come!</p>
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		<title>By: SteVe</title>
		<link>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17216</link>
		<author>SteVe</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 10:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17216</guid>
		<description>I'm sure what's not covered in the study is that microstamping, in a best case scenario, only takes you to the last "legal" owner of the firearm.  Pretty much the same as if you recover the actual firearm itself &#38; run its serial number.  How often does that solve a case?  I suspect not very often, except on TV shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure what&#8217;s not covered in the study is that microstamping, in a best case scenario, only takes you to the last &#8220;legal&#8221; owner of the firearm.  Pretty much the same as if you recover the actual firearm itself &amp; run its serial number.  How often does that solve a case?  I suspect not very often, except on TV shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Ride Fast</title>
		<link>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17160</link>
		<author>Ride Fast</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 23:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17160</guid>
		<description>[...] Microstamping fraud in California [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Microstamping fraud in California [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: JJR</title>
		<link>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17142</link>
		<author>JJR</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17142</guid>
		<description>I'm far from any kind of expert, but I have watched a whole season's worth of the cop show THE FIRST 48, which follows the first 48 hours of a real-life homicide investigation in a selected major American city.

In NONE of the cases were the shell casings decisive to cracking the case.  The were helpful clues, yes, to determining the caliber of weapon used.  But in cases where bullets are recovered from victims, it's the rifling characteristics compared to the murder weapon (if found) that was decisive, not the presence or absence of shell casings at the crime scene.  Cops already know if you arrive at a shooting crime scene and there are no shell casings lying about, it's a good working assumption that a revolver was used, or else the criminals had enough time to pick up their brass before fleeing the scene.  Other clues that could be lifted from casings (like fingerprints) would be on them with or without "microstamping".

What is always key are eyewitnesses and people who can disconfirm an accused perp's supposed alibi, as well as the best forensic evidence that can be gleaned from the crime scene.  The investigators look for means, motive, opportunity.
"Microstamping" is a red herring and a kludgy, hi-tech "fix" in search of a problem.  Tried and true police work gets the job done without it, and wouldn't be substantially aided by it, for all the reasons everyone has already discussed here.

Making all guns prohibitively expensive by over-regulation seems like 2A infringement to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m far from any kind of expert, but I have watched a whole season&#8217;s worth of the cop show THE FIRST 48, which follows the first 48 hours of a real-life homicide investigation in a selected major American city.</p>
<p>In NONE of the cases were the shell casings decisive to cracking the case.  The were helpful clues, yes, to determining the caliber of weapon used.  But in cases where bullets are recovered from victims, it&#8217;s the rifling characteristics compared to the murder weapon (if found) that was decisive, not the presence or absence of shell casings at the crime scene.  Cops already know if you arrive at a shooting crime scene and there are no shell casings lying about, it&#8217;s a good working assumption that a revolver was used, or else the criminals had enough time to pick up their brass before fleeing the scene.  Other clues that could be lifted from casings (like fingerprints) would be on them with or without &#8220;microstamping&#8221;.</p>
<p>What is always key are eyewitnesses and people who can disconfirm an accused perp&#8217;s supposed alibi, as well as the best forensic evidence that can be gleaned from the crime scene.  The investigators look for means, motive, opportunity.<br />
&#8220;Microstamping&#8221; is a red herring and a kludgy, hi-tech &#8220;fix&#8221; in search of a problem.  Tried and true police work gets the job done without it, and wouldn&#8217;t be substantially aided by it, for all the reasons everyone has already discussed here.</p>
<p>Making all guns prohibitively expensive by over-regulation seems like 2A infringement to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Weer'd Beard</title>
		<link>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17132</link>
		<author>Weer'd Beard</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17132</guid>
		<description>B. Smith, note that there are currently no laws restricting the transfer of firing  pins or other gun parts (besides the frame or reciever of a gun)

So if a Crook lives in California or NY, they can just drive to Connecticut or Oregon/Nevada/New Mexico/Arizona ect and just BUY a bunch, if somehow their state makes it difficult to simply mail-order the part.

It would be exactly like how hi-cap mag sales work here in Mass.  They're illigal here unless they're pre-ban manufacture.   Most mail order companies have been threatened with lawsuits from our AG so Mail-order here is a PITA and some companies won't do ANY buisness with us.

Still a 20 min drive to New Hampshire I could fill my truck to the brim with hi-caps and nobody will ask any questions.   Its prefectly legal to do.   We don't do it because its a crime to drive across the state line with the mags in tow....and by "We" I mean people who follow the law.

So unless these dumb laws get passed nation wide the only people who will have stamped guns will be lawful people...and REALLY dumb criminals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B. Smith, note that there are currently no laws restricting the transfer of firing  pins or other gun parts (besides the frame or reciever of a gun)</p>
<p>So if a Crook lives in California or NY, they can just drive to Connecticut or Oregon/Nevada/New Mexico/Arizona ect and just BUY a bunch, if somehow their state makes it difficult to simply mail-order the part.</p>
<p>It would be exactly like how hi-cap mag sales work here in Mass.  They&#8217;re illigal here unless they&#8217;re pre-ban manufacture.   Most mail order companies have been threatened with lawsuits from our AG so Mail-order here is a PITA and some companies won&#8217;t do ANY buisness with us.</p>
<p>Still a 20 min drive to New Hampshire I could fill my truck to the brim with hi-caps and nobody will ask any questions.   Its prefectly legal to do.   We don&#8217;t do it because its a crime to drive across the state line with the mags in tow&#8230;.and by &#8220;We&#8221; I mean people who follow the law.</p>
<p>So unless these dumb laws get passed nation wide the only people who will have stamped guns will be lawful people&#8230;and REALLY dumb criminals.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hardin</title>
		<link>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17131</link>
		<author>John Hardin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17131</guid>
		<description>Or some enterprising thug with the few needed tools could set up a firing-pin scrubbing business for the less-mechanically-inclined criminals...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or some enterprising thug with the few needed tools could set up a firing-pin scrubbing business for the less-mechanically-inclined criminals&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: B Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17124</link>
		<author>B Smith</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17124</guid>
		<description>If one did manage to mess up a firing pin, how hard would it be to mill or grind out a new one? They're basically just...PINS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one did manage to mess up a firing pin, how hard would it be to mill or grind out a new one? They&#8217;re basically just&#8230;PINS</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
		<link>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17121</link>
		<author>Caleb</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17121</guid>
		<description>No, I agree, Americans and criminals are nothing if not innovative.  I think it's important to get this kind of message out there that the technology is unworkable.  If your state has legislation on the table that proposes using this kind of tech, send a copy of the study to your legislators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I agree, Americans and criminals are nothing if not innovative.  I think it&#8217;s important to get this kind of message out there that the technology is unworkable.  If your state has legislation on the table that proposes using this kind of tech, send a copy of the study to your legislators.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17119</link>
		<author>Gregory Morris</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.nrahab.com/2008/05/20/uc-davis-releases-mircostamping-study/#comment-17119</guid>
		<description>I'm guessing someone will figure out that you can just glue a tiny bit of sandpaper to the "primer" on a snap-cap, load it, and repeatedly fire it for 10 minutes or so.  Anyone can sit around and come up with new ways to destroy the engraved tip of a firing pin.  If that were the only difficulty with a law requiring this technology...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing someone will figure out that you can just glue a tiny bit of sandpaper to the &#8220;primer&#8221; on a snap-cap, load it, and repeatedly fire it for 10 minutes or so.  Anyone can sit around and come up with new ways to destroy the engraved tip of a firing pin.  If that were the only difficulty with a law requiring this technology&#8230;</p>
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